To All Candidates for Cedar Hills Council,
That’s why the law allows for each candidate to have a poll watcher to observe the ballots being counted. Curt Crosby, a candidate for Cedar Hills Council, asked me to be his designee to represent him. I agreed. Wow! What a roller-coaster ride it turned out to be.
PRESS RELEASE / OPEN LETTER to Cedar Hills Voters
DATE: Friday August 28, 2015
RE: Request for recount of mail-in voting in Cedar Hills granted. Recount scheduled for September 3, 2015
CONTACT: Curt Crosby – Candidate for Cedar Hills City Council – cell: (801) 669-2211
NOTE: All photos are authorized for use with a “photo courtesy of Cedar Hills Citizens for Responsible Government www.CedarHIllsCitizens.org “.
As a candidate for City Council in Cedar Hills, yesterday I submitted a written request to City Recorder Colleen Mulvey yesterday asking for a recount of the Primary election results. She has responded to all candidates this morning in writing saying,
“I have received a request for a recount of the votes for the 2015 Municipal Primary Election from candidate Curt Crosby.
“According to Utah State Code 20A-4-401, Mr. Crosby is eligible to request a recount, which means all ballots in all precincts for all city council candidates will be recounted.
“I have scheduled the recount of the votes for the 2015 Municipal Primary Election for next Thursday, September 3rd beginning at 9:00 a.m. at the city office building.”
Based on the August 10th Election Day vote count, I was the sixth and final candidate of nine winning by four votes, to continue into the General Election in November. But, straggler mail-in ballots deemed by the City Recorder Mulvey to be legitimate, were counted during the August 25 City Council meeting canvas, changing the outcome to a 5-vote loss and a one-vote loss for fellow candidate Craig Clement putting Brian Miller into the General election.
Votes totals for the sixth and final candidate to go thru General Election positions as of:
August 10th votes August 25 votes Final Approved Total
Curt Crosby 268 * 11 279
Craig Clement 264 19 283
Brian Miller 258 26 284 **
* winner on Aug 10th totals
** winner based on Aug 25th totals
In asking for a recount, folks need not assume that the request is an attempt to call into question our City Recorder Colleen Mulvey’s integrity. Actually, I believe it likely the recount will produce the same results, but in the interest of all Cedar Hills voters the closeness, and the fact that the past three election cycles in a row in Cedar Hills have been clouded in controversy, legitimate voting deserves at least some level of confirmation. Regardless the outcome of the recount, many questions regarding the legitimacy of the votes created by the imperfect vote by mail system, will never be known, nor will the accuracy of the outcome. This is the problem created by the shallow thinking that higher voter numbers is good, when it may be artificially created with potentially fraudulent votes facilitated by mail-in ballots.
Recount Request was Carefully Considered
I’ve made the request for this recount only after careful consideration and was not a last minute decision. Cedar Hills Citizens for Responsible Government learned weeks before the votes were counted on August 10, that the prolonged process that has traditionally confined to one highly monitored day by sworn election officials, grows the opportunity for voting mischief to at least 29 days with highly unmonitored voting with ballots handled and supervised by unsworn election officials. What has been traditionally one day of highly monitored voting at one or two specific locations in Cedar Hills, has now essentially grown to over 2,000 potential unmonitored home voting locations. While I believe the vast majority of the households will vote honorably, it takes only one or two households of illegal voting to sway the outcome of an election, especially an election as close as our recent vote.
In Cedar Hills the Primary election’s ballot box was left out in the City lobby unsealed, without tamper-proof tape, and left unprotected by sworn election officials apparently for all 29 days of the mail-in ballot election process. (see photo Evidence #A below) Also, mailed in ballots were handled by non-sworn election officials opening the process to potential voter fraud.
I personally witnessed this on July 30th, when my appointed vote count watcher and former City Councilman Ken Cromar, along with radio talk show host Sam Bushman and I, met for about 45-minutes with City Recorder Mulvey in the City offices to discuss the voting process and “chain of custody” she is legally responsible to protect. By the end of the meeting, Ms. Mulvey admitted that she could not with 100% certify that the ballot box was fully protected from potential ballot fraud.
Morning after vote count tamper-proof tape had not been applied
Also, on August 11th, the morning after the election day vote count which I won, I, along with Cromar went to the City offices and asked to see the counted ballots envelopes, the brown paper bags and large envelopes were not sealed or protected with tamper-proof vote tape. City Recorder Mulvey and city employee HR manager Gretchen Gordon taped them with tamper-proof tape in our presence. We photographed the results. (see photo Evidence #B below)
Of what value is higher voter turn out artificially created by mail-in ballots, if we haven’t taken every precaution to protect the process from potential voter fraud? While I disagree with Hillary Clinton on most all of her political positions, I absolutely agree with her when she was quoted as saying, “Voting is the most precious right of every citizen, and we have a moral obligation to ensure the integrity of our voting process.”
Utah County Commissioners have been in the news lately concerned about mail-in balloting by some cities. They determined not to allow the mail-in ballots for County voting issues, to safeguard potentially fraudulent mail-in voting, canceling out the value of the votes of cities who prefer traditional, verifiable voting. During Tuesday’s Council meeting, CH Mayor Gary Gygi publicly chastised the Commissioners for their decision.
We have learned that Utah Representative Brad Daw of Orem has prepared two bills for the upcoming Utah State legislative session which offers alternatives to mail-in voting.
Scott Hoganson, the Utah County Deputy Clerk Auditor in charge of elections in Utah County, has also expressed concerns with mail-in voting. Hoganson has reported created a growing list of examples of how the “chain of custody” of ballots can be compromised from the moment the County mails them out. In the effort to create a false sense of higher voter involvement, meaningful ID requirements has been sacrificed for uncertified library cards and utility bills are unwisely allowed and thus has added illegitimate individuals on voting rolls, who are now automatically sent mail-in ballots exposing the election process to potential fraud.
With Tuesday’s canvas my neighbor and candidate Craig Clement lost by one vote. My official vote count designee former Councilman Ken Cromar won his election in 1995 by one vote; before the recount found a spoiled ballot increasing the margin to a two-vote win for Ken. It should be noted that each vote in any election is a potential two-vote swing in a different direction.
It’s not about the counting – It’s how ballots got in the box
This was not a last minute concern. The unwise trend toward mail-in ballots has been alarming for months. Cedar Hills Citizens for Responsible Government has been researching what is called the “Chain of Custody” of mail-in ballots since February when the CH Council voted to go to complete mail-in balloting in an attempt to increase the number of voters. What we discovered was the possible compromise of the mail-in voting process that could facilitate illegitimate voting by the extended time period voting could take place going from one highly monitored day to 29 days with gaps in security. This begs the questions, is it worth increasing voter numbers, if the potential for illegitimate voting increases the possibility of canceling legitimate votes of legal voters and changing the outcomes of elections? I believe the answer is no.
It’s not a question of if the ballots that came out of the ballot box were counted correctly, but rather if all the ballots put into the ballot box were put in there legitimately.
Cedar Hills election questions not new
I have been a candidate in the last three elections in Cedar Hills, 2015, 2013 and 2011. Every election has been clouded in controversy:
Four years ago in 2011, the appointed ballot watchers for 3 candidates from Cedar Hills Citizens for Responsible Government were not allowed to watch the count. Six legally authorized candidate-appointed ballot watchers signed Affidavits the next morning explaining that they had been told to stand off to the side where they couldn’t see the ballots, and were only allowed to listen to the count. The request for a recount of the narrow vote was denied. (Please see… http://www.cedarhillscitizens.org/press-release1/ )
The same 2011 election, the City Newsletter promoted the falsehood on the front page that the City’s controversial golf course was “cash flow positive”, when indeed it was losing an average of $550K a year in taxpayer subsidies, and the city had loaned itself $1.7 million to cover the losses, — throwing support behind the City’s apparently hand-picked & supported candidates (see photo Evidence available upon request)
The same election found the three City promoted candidates break their voluntarily signed Utah State “Pledge of Fair Campaign Practices”. (Please see… http://www.cedarhillscitizens.org/an-open-letter-to-the-gygi-augustus-rees-campaign/ )
The relatively close election results were short-lived as the Mayor resigned to face bank fraud charges, to which he pled guilty and went to prison to serve 1-year and was required to pay $110K in restitution.
The Council appointed one of those three questionably elected Council members Gary Gygi to be appointed Mayor.
Two years ago during the 2013 campaign, appointed-Mayor Gygi ran part of his campaign for Mayor from the City offices. The GRAMA request for records that included photos was made, Mayor Gygi reviewed his records, rather than the City Recorder, and apparently provided inferior home print outs of copies the pictures, rather than the original high resolution images. After numerous email exchanges the original unaltered photos were finally sent. (see photo Evidence #C below)
Now in 2015, after the mail-in ballots that arrived after August 10th were certified by Ms. Mulvey, reportedly postmarked August 10th or earlier, were counted during the Tuesday August 25 the City Council Meeting canvas, the vote total shifted putting me in 8th place five votes behind the final 6th spot, with the 7th place being only one vote behind. Remarkably close. It is noteworthy that my official vote count watcher designee Ken Cromar was refused the opportunity to witness the ballots being counted. Hoganson later said Mulvey could have allowed it, and maybe should have allowed it in the interest of at least the appearance of transparency and fairness.
Again, to me this is not a question of whether the ballots in the box were counted correctly, but rather it’s the bigger question of how the ballots that were counted, actually got into the unprotected ballot box in the first place.
In conclusion, I’ve requested a recount as part of my duty to help insure as much as is possible the integrity of deficient and dangerous mail-in vote process.
Respectfully Submitted to the public for consideration,
9835 N. Meadow Drive
Cedar Hills, UT
cell: (801) 669-2211
Candidate Curt Crosby’s vote count watcher designee
Former elected Cedar Hills City Councilman (July 1994 to Jan 2000)
Researcher for Cedar Hills Citizens for Responsible Government
Utah County Chief Deputy Clerk Auditor
(in charge of elections in Utah County)
Ut Co Office: 801-851-8130
Cedar Hills City Recorder –
(in charge of elections in Cedar Hills)
CH Office: 801-785-9668
Utah County Commissioner Bill Lee
Ut Co Office: (801) 851-8135
Rep. Brad M. Daw
District 60 – Orem
Photo Evidence #A – see pics above
Actually July 30th, as the calendar had not been turned yet.
Note the ballot box is not sealed with tamper-proof tape and it sits out in the lobby unguarded by sworn election officials.
CH lobby Aug 10th still no tamper proof tape over opening – with non-sworn election official Mike Carson handling the box
Photo Evidence #B – see pics above
Photo of ballot bags morning after August 10, 2015 election count — AFTER the tamper-proof tape had been applied at the request of Candidate Curt Crosby.
Photo Evidence #C – see pics above
GRAMA requested email containing photos of Gary Gygi’s campaign for Mayor being run from a City building.
City’s Final Results
DAILY HERALD – August 12, 2015 5:00 pm • Cathy Allred Daily Herald
American Fork Canyon Vision is officially disbanded, and Utah County commissioners now are responsible for organizing any additional study or planning for the canyon.
“That group no longer exists; it has been dissolved,” said Shawn Seager, project manager for the AFC Vision steering committee.
Seager, who is also a Mountainland Association of Governments director, said there is no Aug. 20 formal public meeting as posted on afcvision.com.
“Right now the setting up of task forces and moving forward is squarely in the court of the commissioners,” said Utah County Commissioner Bill Lee.
(NOTE: The Preserve & Protect American Fork Canyon effort to date has been a success — but it’s not over.
Mark Allen’s story to empower the citizens is in direct contrast to Cedar Hills Mayor Gary Gygi. Our Mayor reportedly under-informed the CH Council regarding his efforts on the AF Canyon Vision Committee on a number of important issues. He reportedly did not acknowledge the “considerations” he received from Snowbird including helicopter rides, a black tie event, etc., until after being confronted publicly by Council members. His article in the July Newsletter supported Snowbird property rights and ignored acknowledging the desires of CH residents. The Mayor rejected the public inviting his resignation from Committee in favor of a different CH representative. The AF Canyon Vision Committee ultimately collapsed under a cloud of controversy.
See VIDEO of CH Councilmembers’ and others’ comments at AF High School meeting July at…. http://www.cedarhillscitizens.org/video-9-current-former-ch-council-members-attend-preserve-protect-af-canyon-meeting-at-afhs/ )
The public’s will was successfully heard and AF Canyon was protected — for now.
For more information on Preserve & Protect American Fork Canyon see…
FaceBook – Preserve & Protect AF Canyon at…
Mark Allen with one of his horses in this undated photo.
August 13, 2015 11:00 am • Karissa Neely Daily Herald
Mark Allen of Lindon is definitely a modern-day hero to many – not for saving a person, but for saving a canyon.
Early this summer, Allen saw a Facebook post by American Fork resident Karen McCoy about the proposed Mountain Accord land swap of 416 acres of National Forest Service land in American Fork Canyon for 1,400 acres of private land in Salt Lake County’s Little Cottonwood Canyon. As he pondered how little the public knew about the swap, he decided to put his social media marketing skills to work. He contacted McCoy, and with photographer Willie Holdman, put together a dedicated Facebook page, Protect and Preserve American Fork Canyon, to get the word out.
“He wanted to make the page a clearinghouse for information. He said he was doing the Facebook page just to see if people were OK with the swap. If they were, then he felt like ‘it is what it is.’ But if they weren’t, then we’d go from there,” McCoy said. “He did it, and it just took off, it was crazy. The page took off and the public got involved.”
The page got almost 10,000 likes, and people started posting their own experiences and photos to the page. But Allen did not end his involvement there, letting the public find their way forward, and that is why McCoy, Holdman, and American Fork City Councilman Brad Frost call him heroic.
When the public started getting involved, and requiring more and more information, Allen was on the forefront gathering those facts and event times. All three believe that without Allen, the swap would have gone through almost completely unnoticed by Utah County residents and government leaders. As it was, the swell of public opinion and media attention halted the swap.
(NOTE: Mark Allen’s story is in direct contrast to Cedar Hills Mayor Gary Gygi. Despite the Mayor’s efforts, the public’s will was successfully heard, AF Canyon Vision Committee dissolved and Mark Allen’s efforts to help citizens protect AF Canyon was successful. See VIDEO of CH Councilmembers’ and others’ comments at AF High School meeting July at…. http://www.cedarhillscitizens.org/video-9-current-former-ch-council-members-attend-preserve-protect-af-canyon-meeting-at-afhs/ )
Follow the effort to “Protect & Preserve American Fork Canyon” at…
FaceBook – http://on.fb.me/1MCVLmI (bit.ly shortened link)
At the request of Mayor Gary Gygi & Councilman Rob Crawley — in the public interest — the following is a YouTube video link, which begins a few minutes into the meeting as introductions are being made.
Apologies for the quality as the individuals did not have microphones and the City did not record the meeting, as per usual procedure.
Note: The following is a continuation of Councilman Rob Crawley’s original July post on his blog at Blog: Rob Crawley Cedar Hills Blog http://cedarhillsrob.blogspot.com/2015/07/over-last-couple-of-years-while-i-have.html, FaceBook Cedar Hills Chatroom, and CHCRG’s posting of “Golf Course Financial Report — Possibly most important doc in 10 years” at http://www.cedarhillscitizens.org/golf-course-financial-report-possibly-most-important-doc-in-10-years/
August 10, 2015
Following is the plan that I proposed to the golf course committee last Thursday as a “Plan B” to compare to “Plan A”, which is keeping the golf course:
For those that are new to the discussion, I will get you up to speed.
Following are some highlights from plan B as conceived so far:
These are some initial thoughts and ideas for these areas. The committee will be getting feedback from our attorney regarding any adjustments to this plan that would be needed in order to do this legally. The plan will be adjusted as feedback is obtained from residents or our legal department.
In January of 2002 – a newly elected City Councilman Rob Fotheringham, a financial professional, wrote a letter to Cedar Hills residents the day before he was to be sworn in. One week later Mayor Brad Sears published a Rebuttal. Ten years of audited city financials later, it is clear the warning was not heeded. (See JPGs of their letters below…)
Fotheringham’s letter explained that the golf course purchase had been passed by CH voters the previous May of 2001, but was based on faulty information provided by then Mayor Brad Sears and the City Council. Additionally, written promises to the citizens were being broken, causing “significant concern”. Fotheringham wrote to the residents:
“So Why am I writing? In anticipation of taking office I have been…doing some research…. …Using my professional experiences as a financial controller for the Intel Corp., … I learned some information that I believe you should be made aware of: …”
Fotheringham’s letter went on to highlight key points regarding the May 2001 election when the residents narrowly approved the golf vote:
Prior to publishing his findings for the citizens, Fotheringham had provided his research to the 2001 Mayor and Council for their review and corrections, in any. When none was received he published his findings for citizens. New Councilman Rob Fotheringham’s letter concluded:
“I feel that our elected officials have overlooked significant risks inherent in city ownership of the golf course, and that the Mayor issued a misleading flier to secure our support in the election of the golf course bond. These actions merit our scrutiny. …
“…Many of the decisions required of the Council are mundane and even tedious. But this is significant, and deserves our attention as concerned residents.” (emphasis in original letter)
2002 Councilman Fotheringham’s warning letter was distributed at his own expense to the Cedar Hills community.
Since then, the golf course has averaged over $550,000 in losses (taxpayer subsidies) with 20 more years likely, which is a huge difference from the promise of $150,000 annual profits, no taxpayer money, no Sunday operation and no alcohol. No wonder the golf course and $3.3 million clubhouse has drawn so much attention over the years. Additionally, 10-years of impact fees were collected to build a swimming pool & rec center but a golf clubhouse, golf grill, and wedding reception center was built with the money instead.
Financial facts don’t cause contention, only people who fight against facts and withhold them from the public.
Here are the facts as reported days ago by current Councilman
Rob Crawley, also a financial professional (current CFO and former CPA) to the Mayor and Council. As of yet, the year by year golf course losses have NOT been reported to Cedar Hills citizens generally in the monthly Newsletter, the annual State of City report, or on the city website. Reprinted here:
by current Councilman Rob Crawley
For more on 2015 Councilman Rob Crawley’s golf course financial findings and possible alternative options, please see our CHCRG posting…
Golf Course Financial Report – Possibly most important doc in 10 years
In 2002, one week Fotheringham’s letter, then Mayor Brad Sears provided a Rebuttal to Councilman Fotheringham’s letter. Considering 10-years of financial facts above, Sears’ sudden resignation as CH Mayor, and 10-years of continuous free golf he has accepted, — though the rebuttal is a mute point, it is provided for your consideration. (see letter at bottom)
In a courageous act, Pete Cannon, a Councilman who originally supported and promoted the golf course purchase in 2001, has recently apologized for his part in promoting the ill-fated golf course. (for details see Facebook: Courageous 2001 CH Councilman Pete Cannon golf apology — http://www.cedarhillscitizens.org/facebook-courageous-2001-ch-councilman-pete-cannon-golf-apology/ )
The good news is that 10-years of financial facts makes considering alternatives to a golf course, such as trading it for parks, trails, soccer fields, a cemetery, etc., an easier decision. 20 more years of golf losses is not required. Solutions can be considered that serve 100% of the community not just 10% who golf. Many people are starting realize this and are promoting park & trails for the kids of Cedar Hills.
July 18, 2015 at 8:46 a.m. –
(Note: This version of Crawley’s post was removed by a moderator, but was resubmitted with the final two paragraphs removed – highlighted in BLUE below – and added a one paragraph conclusion.)
I raised the concern a little while ago on the forum about the original contract between the city and the developer. Based on our contract to purchase and maintain the golf course, the developer was able to enjoy charging a premium for the homes surrounding the golf course while pushing off the risk and costs of maintaining the golf course to the city.
This appears from hindsight to have been a very one-sided contract. Through my research I found that in addition to the sweet deal the developer got from the city, they were also given (in the contract) 50 years of gift certificates with 30 free games per week for those 50 years. An astronomical amount of free golf. I asked if anyone knew why we would throw that on top in this already lopsided contract. Nobody had a good answer.
I have called two previous city council members, who were here at that time, and asked them if they knew why this happened. I want to document these conversations:
First I called Pete Cannon and explained the above. His response to me at first was that he didn’t remember that we gave them free golf with the contract. But after recounting the contract and the fact that the land of the golf course was given by the developers to the city, he can understand why we would give some gift certificates to the developer. The city paid the developer for the costs of developing the golf course (I believe management fees were included in this, but no land costs). However, he was shocked that we would give that much free golf for that many years. At the end of the conversation I asked if there was anything he would like to add. He said that “for what it is worth, I am sorry for voting yes on this as it has cost the residents a lot of money. The arguments for the golf course were convincing and we thought that it would be saving the residents tax dollars through profits. I wish I had been more conservative and voted no. I remember Ken Cromar pulling me aside and telling me that the golf course industry trends are not looking good and that the numbers would surely lead to losses. I wish I would have listened to Ken.”
The other previous council member I called was Terry Sparks. He said he didn’t remember anything about free golf for the developer and said it sounds excessive the amount they were given. However, he defended his vote for the golf course because the residents had voted by a narrow margin in favor of it and as an elected representative he felt it best to follow the voice of the people
I haven’t had a chance to talk to Mayor Sears about this yet, but I am troubled by his actions. I have heard from credible sources that over the last 10 years since the start of the golf course he has been golfing for free quite often and sometimes bringing friends with him to golf for free. I would think there would be a little more humility than to take advantage of his previous position and not help the golf course succeed by at least paying for his golf. I know two years ago in the golf course committee meeting that I was told that for his free golf he fixes divots he sees and informs the staff of any thing he sees that needs improvement. However, fixing divots is what all responsible golfers would do and suggestions for improvements are what the golf manager and employees are responsible for. Lately I have heard that he has been given gift certificates from the developer (part of the 50 years of 30 rounds per week) that he negotiated with the developer. This looks really, really bad.
I have been told that someone from our staff has confronted Mayor Sears on this issue. I have heard conflicting accounts about whether he has used any of the developer gift certificates this year or not. I would suggest that Mayor Sears apologize to the city for taking advantage of the situation that he was a key part of creating and pay for all of his golf in the future.
[apparently same post – minus last two in BLUE above regarding former Mayor Brad Sears, until this last paragraph in conclusion…]
I still don’t understand why we gave so much free golf away to the developers. Mr. Cannon did mention that on hindsight we were getting free land. However, according to our agreement with the developer, we were requiring that land for open space and so thee land was really a liability as the developer was required to maintain the golf course on that land in exchange for getting higher density on the housing. The amount of free golf still doesn’t make sense to me.
[Final Note: Councilman Rob Crawley is a current CFO, and former CFO for other companies and a former CPA.
He has calculated the potential cost of 30 free golf games per week, for 50 years, at a potential cost of over $2,000,000. No wonder some folks don’t want to discuss this issue and fight so hard against exposure.]
The following is from Joel Wright’s Facebook posting about candidate responses at the July 14th Meet the Candidates event, and used here with his permission. (Edited for readability name consistency only.) The meeting was not recorded, so having this is appreciated…
|Joel David WrightJuly 14 at 6:15pm|
OPEN THREAD! Post anything and everything about the City Council debate tonight in the thread below.
– Chris Fowler says you have to work in teams in business. Can’t personalize things too much.
- Benjamin Bailey says it takes the whole team to accomplish a task. You won’t always agree, but you need to play nice. You’ll be insulted, don’t take it personally.
– Jenney Rees says it is an asset the city has, must pay our debts. She’ll look at any option, but hasn’t seen one better than status quo. Course does add value to our city.
- Angela Johnson says Rob has spent hundreds of hours. We need to look at options. We are losing about $500,000 a year on the golf course. The residents should vote on any change.
– Michael Geddes says he doesn’t even lock his doors. He thinks AF police do a good job. Just thank them for their service.
– Brian Miller is a former prosecutor. He says he lives in Cedar Hills because it is so safe. We should look out for each other. Need to reduce target shooting and fires on our foothills.
– Craig Clement says he doesn’t worry too much.
– Chris Fowler doesn’t know yet. He knows they typically lose money.
- Benjamin Bailey says it doesn’t look like we can afford it from taxpayers. He would like a community pool, but with so many so close, doesn’t think we can do it with taxes. - – Jenney Rees says her kids would love a nearby pool, but too many pools nearby. Would add too much debt. Could do a feasibility study, and let residents vote on it.
– Paul Sorensen says it is what we do with out tax dollars. We are subsidizing golf course at $550,000 a year.
- Angela Johnson says AF Canyon needs to be protected. And our commercial zone very important. She doesn’t like the high density housing.
- Brian Miller says we have a municipal golf course doing well. We are minimizing the costs for running it.
– Craig Clement says we need to sell the land to reduce the debt.
- Curt Crosby says the golf course is not what government should do. We shouldn’t force others to pay for the golf course.
- Benjamin Bailey doesn’t want to spend 2 million on it. But it will happen. Wants help paying for it.
- Jenney Rees says our water consumption is high. She would like to see how the water restrictions work this year. Thinks state might require cities to do it and provide funds for it.
- Paul Sorensen likes the restrictions we are trying. Need to look at other options. Might have more water than we think. Wants to wait also.
- Angela Johnson says most residents don’t want high density housing. She says we need more land in commercial. A development more fitting to our community.
- Michael Geddes says that it isn’t city owned land. The owners have property rights, so long as they comply with our laws. He would prefer something more than weeds.
– Brian Miller says he would like a retail center, but Walmart has eliminated that. Want the right thing.
– Craig Clement has volunteered at fan festival and on planning commission.
- Curt Crosby has volunteered, but wasn’t wanted. Says you should just pick up the trash.
– Chris Fowler says he has coached soccer for 4 years. And at Cedar Ridge.
– Jenney Rees says Family Festival and Planning Commission.
- Paul Sorensen says we don’t get to chose. He would chose golf committee and planning commission. City council should choose assignments.
- Angela Johnson says planning commission and Mountainland. Wants Mayor to allow city council to help chose the assignments.
- Michael Geddes says the trash cans on course have lots of beer. Says it isn’t appropriate because young people working on course.
- Brian Miller says we are losing revenue on people who don’t come. It is something happening anyway.
– Craig Clement says he opposes it.
[Joel apologized that had to leave before questions finished, leaving his documentation incomplete.]
Original available at… http://www.facebook.com/groups/1595779503974389/